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Le jeudi 20 octobre 2011 =C3=A0 17:52 +0200, cnestel@free.fr a =C3=A9crit :
>=20
> J'ai entendu ces derniers jours des choses stup=C3=A9fiantes de la
> part de militants syndicaux que je respecte profond=C3=A9ment par ailleurs
> pour leur d=C3=A9vouement, hors de tout contexte id=C3=A9ologique.=20
> Par exemple : "Et alors ? Dans les =C3=A9lections normales il y a
> aussi des fraudes ! ".
>=20
> Ceci en dit long sur l'absence totale d'analyse critique de nos
> coll=C3=A8gues militants syndicaux sur les enjeux du num=C3=A9rique.
>=20

Humm, c'est extr=C3=AAmement rapide comme analyse mais =C3=A7a le m=C3=A9ri=
te de
simplifier l'analyse sur le monde.. J'ai parl=C3=A9 =C3=A0 des vieux qui =
=C3=A9taient
racistes, donc pass=C3=A9 65 ans, tu deviens forc=C3=A9ment raciste.. Mieux
encore, je connais beaucoup d'informaticiens qui ne veulent toucher que
du Windows et donc tous les informaticiens sont windowsiens!

On peut-=C3=AAtre militant syndicaliste et militant environnementaliste et
aussi libriste tout en r=C3=A9fl=C3=A9chissant sur les enjeux num=C3=A9riqu=
es, voir
encore mieux sur les enjeux li=C3=A9s aux syst=C3=A8mes techniques..

Pour info, Sud Education s'est positionn=C3=A9 d=C3=A8s le d=C3=A9but contr=
e le vote
=C3=A9lectronique, a men=C3=A9 campagne contre. Certes, ce syndicat et ses
militants, n'ont pas =C3=A9t=C3=A9 beaucoup entendus, mais =C3=A7a c'est un=
 autre d=C3=A9bat
(je veux dire le pourquoi, media dominants etc...)

st=C3=A9phane moulinet

--=20
La top-posting [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU_(Usenet_et_Internet)] , c=
'est pas =C3=A9colo !
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