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Le 22/06/2012 10:42, Jean-Yves Jeannas - Lille 2 a =E9crit :
> Bonjour,
> Pour information :
> http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2012/06/22/l-informatique-est-une-sci=
ence-bien-trop-serieuse-pour-etre-laissee-aux-informaticiens_1722939_3232.h=
tml=20
>
> Ndlr (moi) :
> - les auteurs n'ont pas un avis fondamentalement n=E9gatif sur le C2i,=20
> le discours porte surtout sur l'enseignement primaire et secondaire.
> Mais il faudra bien sur tenir compte des avanc=E9es politiques=20
> minist=E9rielles de haut niveau le cas =E9ch=E9ant.
> - l'Acad=E9mie des Sciences a =E9t=E9 missionn=E9e pour r=E9fl=E9chir sur=
 le sujet.
> Bonne lecture,
> JYJ
>
Ce qui est emb=EAtant avec ce genre d'article, c'est sa logique du tout ou=
=20
rien. Il faut former les ma=EEtres, autrement dit il faut commencer cet=20
enseignement au primaire, voire m=EAme =E0 la maternelle. On passe de=20
l'universit=E9 au primaire comme on a voulu passer de l'universit=E9 au=20
primaire les structures math=E9matiques pendant les maths moderne.=20
L'histoire ne se r=E9p=E8te pas, elle b=E9gaie. Et un regard rapide en arri=
=E8re=20
montre que l'enseignement des maths ne s'en est pas remis. Si on veut=20
d=E9truire tout possibilit=E9 d'un enseignement de l'informatique coh=E9ren=
t,=20
il me semble que c'est la bonne voie.

Pour moi il est largement suffisant de commencer au secondaire, et =E7a=20
sera d'autant plus facile si le primaire a jou=E9 son r=F4le fondamental=20
(lecture/=E9criture/calcul). Et se demander =E0 quel niveau commencer est=
=20
probablement la premi=E8re question =E0 poser.

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yves


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