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Bonjour et bonne ann=C3=A9e 2013 !

Le 02/01/2013 11:55, fabio a =C3=A9crit :
[=E2=80=A6]
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
> "Au coll=C3=A8ge, une partie du cours de technologie devrai =C3=AAtre
> explicitement consacr=C3=A9e =C3=A0 l'informatique et enseign=C3=A9e par =
les
> professeurs d'informatique (ISN) et les professeurs de technologie, avec
> de la formation continue pour ces derniers quand c'est n=C3=A9cessaire."
>=20
> Il serait peut-=C3=AAtre judicieux de ne pas cat=C3=A9goriser les profess=
eurs
> intervenant, ni de sp=C3=A9cifier le programme de technologie, d'autant q=
ue
> plus loin, il est r=C3=A9clam=C3=A9 (fort justement) la cr=C3=A9ation d'u=
n CAPES (CAPET
> ?) d'informatique.
>=20
> On pourrait =C3=A9crire
>=20
> "Au coll=C3=A8ge, une partie des cours devrait =C3=AAtre explicitement co=
nsacr=C3=A9e =C3=A0
> l'informatique et enseign=C3=A9e par les professeurs ayant suivis une
> formation pour ce faire."
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Je suis d'accord avec la remarque pour la r=C3=A9=C3=A9criture, est-ce qu'on
pourrait =C3=A9crire:
=C2=ABAu coll=C3=A8ge, un cours devrait =C3=AAtre explicitement consacr=C3=
=A9 =C3=A0
l'informatique et enseign=C3=A9 par les professeurs ayant suivis une
formation pour ce faire.=C2=BB

(Parler directement d'un cours informatique plut=C3=B4t que d'une partie d'=
un
autre cours.)



Dans le point 5.:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
5. G=C3=A9n=C3=A9raliser l'utilisation de logiciels libres dans le syst=C3=
=A8me =C3=A9ducatif

[=E2=80=A6]
   * Inciter les =C3=A9tablissements scolaires =C3=A0 faire usage des solut=
ions
d=C3=A9j=C3=A0 existantes comme EOLE ( projet collaboratif bas=C3=A9 sur la=
 philosophie
du logiciel libre) pour g=C3=A9n=C3=A9raliser le logiciel libre dans les
=C3=A9tablissements scolaires.

[=E2=80=A6]
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Je m'interroge sur le fait de mettre en avant la solution EOLE plus
qu'une autre. Est-ce que l'April soutien officiellement EOLE ?

Je travaille sur SLIS, Pingoo existe encore, bien que le CITIC ait
arr=C3=AAt=C3=A9 officiellement sa maintenance il y a 2 jours, LCS et Samba=
Edu3
existent et sont utilis=C3=A9s aussi.
Je salue et utilise la solution libre EOLE, soutenue par le Minist=C3=A8re =
de
l'=C3=89ducation Nationale.


Je pense tout de m=C3=AAme qu'il est de l'int=C3=A9r=C3=AAt de l'April de n=
e pas mettre
en avant une seule solution.


Je vous propose de faire comme pour les ressources p=C3=A9dagogiques sous
licences libres: indiquer l'intention g=C3=A9n=C3=A9rale et citer quelques =
solutions:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
   * Inciter les =C3=A9tablissements scolaires =C3=A0 faire usage des solut=
ions
d=C3=A9j=C3=A0 existantes pour g=C3=A9n=C3=A9raliser le logiciel libre dans=
 les
=C3=A9tablissements scolaires. Citons par exemple EOLE, LCS, SambaEdu3 et S=
LIS.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

On retrouve cette vari=C3=A9t=C3=A9 de solutions, parmi d'autres, dans la p=
age des
pr=C3=A9conisations acad=C3=A9miques:
http://wiki.april.org/w/Inventaire_des_pr%C3%A9conisations_acad%C3%A9miques=
_en_mati%C3%A8re_de_TICE
Si quelqu'un a des infos sur "par quoi est remplac=C3=A9 Pingoo", je suis
preneur ! :-)


Je ne sais pas trop si on devrait citer des solutions du type Dokuwiki,
MediaWiki, Scenari, LibreOffice, Mozilla Firefox, Chromium, Mozilla
Thunderbird et autres=E2=80=AF?
Du coup, je vous pose la question. ;-)

@+
Fernando


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