Return-Path: X-Original-To: jtadeusz@april.org Delivered-To: jtadeusz@april.org Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.2.16]) by pavot.april.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5A41532F64; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:36:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pavot.april.org ([192.168.2.17]) by localhost (spamvir.april.org [192.168.2.16]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id adNEql9KqXpQ; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:36:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by pavot.april.org (Postfix, from userid 102) id 2FA321532F69; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:36:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.2.16]) by pavot.april.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DB11532F5E for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:31:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pavot.april.org ([192.168.2.17]) by localhost (spamvir.april.org [192.168.2.16]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W9zp9YUHH5SC for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pavot.april.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83C0E1532030 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:31:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mfilter10-d.gandi.net (mfilter10-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.139]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45B1172055 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:31:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter10-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]) by mfilter10-d.gandi.net (mfilter10-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a8BoQJkAFPiW for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:31:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 78.243.153.88 Received: from [192.168.212.1] (blr03-1-78-243-153-88.fbx.proxad.net [78.243.153.88]) (Authenticated sender: ml@dadaprod.org) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21C0E172081 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <1381170851.5331.8.camel@LNX1> From: sonic steph Reply-To: ml@dadaprod.org To: educ@april.org Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 20:34:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <524E8DD0.5090709@gmail.com> References: <524E8DD0.5090709@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Validation-by: ml@dadaprod.org Subject: Re: [EDUC] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Libre_et_enseignement_de_l=27informatiq?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue_sont-ils_li=E9s_ou_ind=E9pendants_=3F?= X-Loop: educ@april.org X-Sequence: 5208 Errors-to: educ-owner@april.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: educ-request@april.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1381170983-16909-1606" X-Length: 5109 Status: R X-Status: NT X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: X-UID: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1381170983-16909-1606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le vendredi 04 octobre 2013 =C3=A0 11:43 +0200, R=C3=A9mi Boulle a =C3=A9cr= it : >=20 > Actuellement dans les programmes officiels, il y a deux approches : > 1/ informatique =3D science des algorithmes, domaine r=C3=A9serv=C3=A9 au= x=20 > math=C3=A9matiques > 2/ informatique =3D outil (ie boite noire, on est loin du libre). C'est= =20 > la vision "B2i" qui depuis 13 ans fait croire aux parents que leurs=20 > enfants acqui=C3=A8rent des comp=C3=A9tences. Pr=C3=A9cisons que ces comp= =C3=A9tences sont=20 > valid=C3=A9es sans =C3=AAtre enseign=C3=A9e. 3 technologique =3D approche via les syst=C3=A8mes d'informations pour l'op= tion de sp=C3=A9cialit=C3=A9, outil sinon, mais sans les comp=C3=A9tences.. au n= iveau pr=C3=A9-bac avec les s=C3=A9ries STMG.. Apr=C3=A8s si le propos touche aus= si le post-bac, il y a dire aussi pour le coll=C3=A8ge, il me semble que l'approche est aussi technologique, mais je laisse =C3=A0 d'autres en parler st=C3=A9phane --=20 La top-posting [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU_(Usenet_et_Internet)] , c= 'est pas =C3=A9colo ! _____________________________________________________________________ r=C3=A9seaux d'artistes autoproduits, label autog=C3=A9r=C3=A9, plateforme = de t=C3=A9l=C3=A9chargement libre, m=C3=A9dia ind=C3=A9pendant ----------------------- http://www.dadaprod.org _____________________________________________________________________ ------------=_1381170983-16909-1606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; name="message-footer.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message-footer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- Pour gérer votre abonnement à la liste educ et vos informations personnelles : http://listes.april.org/wws/info/educ ------------=_1381170983-16909-1606--