Return-Path: X-Original-To: jtadeusz@april.org Delivered-To: jtadeusz@april.org Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.2.16]) by pavot.april.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5D230C0925; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:03:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from pavot.april.org ([192.168.2.17]) by localhost (spamvir.april.org [192.168.2.16]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IhIg0+iKdfsP; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:03:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by pavot.april.org (Postfix, from userid 102) id C947430C0901; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:03:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.2.16]) by pavot.april.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55E730C08F1 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:03:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from pavot.april.org ([192.168.2.17]) by localhost (spamvir.april.org [192.168.2.16]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wCYAANVTq7lI for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:03:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pavot.april.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E46D30C08EF for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:03:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from mfilter15-d.gandi.net (mfilter15-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.143]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD251720CF for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:03:03 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter15-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]) by mfilter15-d.gandi.net (mfilter15-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rbRgOwcXB3Sd for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:03:02 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 78.243.153.88 Received: from [192.168.212.1] (blr03-1-78-243-153-88.fbx.proxad.net [78.243.153.88]) (Authenticated sender: ml@dadaprod.org) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 110CB1720BD for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:03:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1391763781.5291.21.camel@LNX1> From: sonic steph Reply-To: ml@dadaprod.org To: educ@april.org Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:03:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1865259634.119027.1391588965418.JavaMail.www@wwinf8309> References: <1865259634.119027.1391588965418.JavaMail.www@wwinf8309> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Validation-by: ml@dadaprod.org Subject: Re: Re:[EDUC] enseigner l'informatique : mettre la charrue avant les boeufs ? X-Loop: educ@april.org X-Sequence: 5611 Errors-to: educ-owner@april.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: educ-request@april.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1391763823-26900-653" X-Length: 4974 Status: R X-Status: NT X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: X-UID: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1391763823-26900-653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ca ressemble malheureusement plus pour moi =C3=A0 une revendication corporatiste qu'autre chose. L'objectif est d'apporter suffisamment de savoir aux =C3=A9l=C3=A8ves pour = qu'ils puissent d=C3=A9velopper une pens=C3=A9e critique sur le monde "num=C3=A9ri= que". On a soit : - Des inspecteurs qui pensent que les =C3=A9l=C3=A8ves =C3=A9tant des "dig= ital natives", ils n'ont plus rien =C3=A0 apprendre. -> donc ne rien faire : bof. - Des profs de maths qui souhaitent r=C3=A9cup=C3=A9rer l'affaire, re-bof. Certes, je suis pour tous les =C3=A9l=C3=A8ves touchent un peu au d=C3=A9ve= loppement, mais l'approche doit surtout =C3=AAtre transversal (droit, =C3=A9conomie, informatique) plut=C3=B4t que scientifique. Apr=C3=A8s que cette transversa= lit=C3=A9 donne naissance =C3=A0 un nouveau corps d'inspection, pourquoi pas, =C3=A7a= se discute.. Mais bon c'est justement mettre la charrue avant les boeufs ! st=C3=A9phane moulinet --=20 _____________________________________________________________________ r=C3=A9seaux d'artistes autoproduits, label autog=C3=A9r=C3=A9, plateforme = de t=C3=A9l=C3=A9chargement libre, m=C3=A9dia ind=C3=A9pendant ----------------------- http://www.dadaprod.org _____________________________________________________________________ ------------=_1391763823-26900-653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; name="message-footer.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message-footer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- Pour gérer votre abonnement à la liste educ et vos informations personnelles : http://listes.april.org/wws/info/educ ------------=_1391763823-26900-653--