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Bonjour,=20

Je r=C3=A9ponds un peu tard, mais en cherchant =C3=A0 expliquer =C3=A0 mon =
entourage pourquoi de tels algorithmes est forc=C3=A9ment approximatif car =
r=C3=A9sultant de choix humains, j'en suis venu =C3=A0 utiliser un argument=
 qu'il me semble ne pas avoir lu ailleurs.=20

Nous pourrons commencer =C3=A0 envisager l'utilisation d'algorithmes pour d=
=C3=A9tecter des comportements suspects le jour o=C3=B9 le SPAM aura dispar=
u. En l'=C3=A9tat nous allons spammer nos services de renseignements, ce qu=
i n'est pas souhaitable.=20

Librement v=C3=B4tre,=20
JF Lemoine=20

> De: "ErickM" <emascart@april.org>
> =C3=80: educ@april.org
> Envoy=C3=A9: Dimanche 19 Avril 2015 10:40:14
> Objet: Re: [EDUC] Projet renseignement - bo=C3=AEte noire et algorithme

> Bonjour,

> Le 15/04/15 20:23, Marie-Odile Morandi a =C3=A9crit :

>> Bonjour,

>> Excellent article :
>> http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2015/04/15/lalgorithme-gouvernement-sera-intr=
usif-inefficace-prouve-258672
>> --
>> Amicalement
>> Marie-Odile Morandi

> Voici un autre article qui d=C3=A9crit assez bien le concept de "gouverna=
nce
> algorithmique" et les danger de celle-ci :

> https://reflets.info/sous-le-regne-de-la-gouvernance-algorithmique/

> Bien cordialement.
> --
> ErickM

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-siz=
e: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Bonjour,<br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"=
1"></div><div>Je r=C3=A9ponds un peu tard, mais en cherchant =C3=A0 expliqu=
er =C3=A0 mon entourage pourquoi de tels algorithmes est forc=C3=A9ment app=
roximatif car r=C3=A9sultant de choix humains, j'en suis venu =C3=A0 utilis=
er un argument qu'il me semble ne pas avoir lu ailleurs.<br data-mce-bogus=
=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Nous pourrons commenc=
er =C3=A0 envisager l'utilisation d'algorithmes pour d=C3=A9tecter des comp=
ortements suspects le jour o=C3=B9 le SPAM aura disparu. En l'=C3=A9tat nou=
s allons spammer nos services de renseignements, ce qui n'est pas souhaitab=
le.<br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>=
Librement v=C3=B4tre,<br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>JF Lemoine<br data=
-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br></div><=
hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__=
"><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;paddin=
g-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:=
none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>De: </b>"Er=
ickM" &lt;emascart@april.org&gt;<br><b>=C3=80: </b>educ@april.org<br><b>Env=
oy=C3=A9: </b>Dimanche 19 Avril 2015 10:40:14<br><b>Objet: </b>Re: [EDUC] P=
rojet renseignement - bo=C3=AEte noire et algorithme<br></blockquote></div>=
<div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px s=
olid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal=
;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:12pt;"><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Bonjour,<br>
      <br>
      Le 15/04/15 20:23, Marie-Odile Morandi a =C3=A9crit&nbsp;:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite=3D"mid:552EAC8C.6030604@voyager.archi.it">
=20=20=20=20=20=20
      Bonjour,<br>
      <br>
      Excellent article : <a href=3D"http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2015/04/15/=
lalgorithme-gouvernement-sera-intrusif-inefficace-prouve-258672" target=3D"=
_blank">http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2015/04/15/lalgorithme-gouvernement-sera=
-intrusif-inefficace-prouve-258672<br>
      </a>
      <div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br>
        <i>Amicalement<br>
          Marie-Odile Morandi<br>
          &nbsp; <br>
        </i></div>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Voici un autre article qui d=C3=A9crit assez bien le concept de
    "gouvernance algorithmique" et les danger de celle-ci :<br>
    <br>
    <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://reflets.info/sous-le=
-regne-de-la-gouvernance-algorithmique/" target=3D"_blank">https://reflets.=
info/sous-le-regne-de-la-gouvernance-algorithmique/</a><br>
    <br>
    Bien cordialement.<br>
    <pre class=3D"moz-signature">--=20
ErickM<br></pre></blockquote></div></div></body></html>=

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